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Seppi · Jul 16, 2007, 05:07 PM // 17:07

I was just thinking about the problems associated with an experience title (bot XP earning, more benefit to solo farmers, etc). The inherent problem with an XP title is that it can be obtained by small farming groups and solo farming more easily than earned through grouping and just playing the game.

My proposed solution is this: a monster kill title for killing X amounts of creatures in HM.

Setting the title in hard mode balances the difficulty of monsters to the group size, and no monster is an easy kill (save for tamables).

The title could go in 5 tiers with a maximum tier set as 250,000 HM monsters slain (roughly 8.5x the amount of monsters in vanquishable areas on all the continents combined).
IE:
Tier 1-50k HM Monsters Slain
Tier 2-100k HM Monsters Slain
Tier 3-150k HM Monsters Slain
Tier 4-200k HM Monsters Slain
Tier 5-250k HM Monsters Slain

Off the top of my head, the advantages to the title are the following:
1-Can be obtained more easily in a full group than solo farming.
2-It can be obtained at roughly the same rate when you play through Hard mode content as when you try to farm it.
3-I can't see this title bringing anything like "GLF ______, must have R3+ Monster Kill title" into guild wars as an XP-based title probably would. The title will only show how much a person plays in Hardmode.

The disadvantages I can think of are:
1-It will take a long time to get
2-A bot could potentially get it, however it will also take a much longer time for one to get it, considering they solo (and will hopefully be banned before they even reach R1).

Two Final Notes:
I don't think this title should be retroactive due to how impossible the coding would probably be.
This title should not have any inherent benefits---IE it should only be for prestige.

Those are my 2 cents. :X
-Seppi

william1975 · Jul 16, 2007, 05:19 PM // 17:19

The idea in itself is one i have seen before and liked, Getting a title for killing particualr enemy creatures.

However this is not something I think is a soluton to people wanting some benefit for XP.

My reasons are as follows.

Once the title is maxed then you will still be getting XP and not furthering any asociated title, or getting benefit for gaining it. Other than the obvious skill point with its limited use.

the second point i have is that there are titles that do a similar thing, Legendary Vanquisher for example is similar in that you have to kill every creature on every map in all three campaigns to complete it

Seppi · Jul 16, 2007, 05:40 PM // 17:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by william1975

The idea in itself is one i have seen before and liked, Getting a title for killing particualr enemy creatures.

However this is not something I think is a soluton to people wanting some benefit for XP.

My reasons are as follows.

Once the title is maxed then you will still be getting XP and not furthering any asociated title, or getting benefit for gaining it. Other than the obvious skill point with its limited use.

the second point i have is that there are titles that do a similar thing, Legendary Vanquisher for example is similar in that you have to kill every creature on every map in all three campaigns to complete it

I understand what you're saying by your first point, but without putting a cap (or obtainable level) on a title, it's not really a title, it's just an indicator. It would be the equivalent of the "virtual level" idea proposed in the other thread. In all honesty, I don't think the title should give any benefits because it would imbalance the game for people who don't play hard mode. Experience gives skill points, which is what the act of obtaining this title will give in the process. The title really should only be for prestige, like most other titles.

As for the second point, there are also many other titles that are obtained while vanquishing. SS/LB can be obtained while vanquishing Elona. Faction farming can be done while vanquishing the Jade Sea and Enchovald. This title can be done while vanquishing, farming, chest running, or playing any content in Hard Mode. I proposed the minimum of 50,000 creatures slain so that it isn't obtainable solely by vanquishing.

King Volcano · Jul 16, 2007, 07:17 PM // 19:17

As far as i'm concerned, finding and easy spot to farm monsters is pretty much the same thing as letting a bot do it for you. The only difference is that the player is wasting is time farming monsters for the sake of farming monsters, and that's why your suggestion isnt any more viable than other suggestions.

I say let us know our true level based on XP, without any requirement on how you gained that XP and let the bots amass unholy amounts of XP. It's Anet's job to deal with bots, not the players.

I see no one out there bitching about the lucky title when we all know it can be bought, same goes for drunkard and sweet tooth. Why should XP based titles be treated differently? I would love to know my true level, that would definitely give me the feeling that i've been around. And yes there might be a few to insult me saying i use a bot to farm but i know i earned every single point of my 4.5 mil XP so i just would'nt give a damn.

MagmaRed · Jul 16, 2007, 11:03 PM // 23:03

I can 55 Jade Brotherhood Knights in Waijun Bazaar in Hard Mode, and kill about 9 in 10 minutes. Although I don't do it, people Hard Mode farm Luxon Assassins solo. There are a LOT of Hard Mode farm spots done solo. So there will still be people farming this kind of title.

Vanquishing already provides a title for doing essentially the same thing. We don't need another title. This is just a title for title's sake. There is no benefit or reason for having it.

/unsigned

Seppi · Jul 16, 2007, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by MagmaRed

I can 55 Jade Brotherhood Knights in Waijun Bazaar in Hard Mode, and kill about 9 in 10 minutes. Although I don't do it, people Hard Mode farm Luxon Assassins solo. There are a LOT of Hard Mode farm spots done solo. So there will still be people farming this kind of title.

Vanquishing already provides a title for doing essentially the same thing. We don't need another title. This is just a title for title's sake. There is no benefit or reason for having it.

/unsigned

9 Monsters in 10 minutes is quite slow for farming in hard mode. Regardless, a full 8 person group will always kill faster than 1 or 2 people (simply because the same builds the 1 or 2 people are running can be used by another 6-7, and therefore kill faster).

I agree that this title, like an XP title, really is just another title for titles sake. However, so are roughly half the titles out there (IE drunkard, sweet tooth, vanquisher, skill hunter, cartographer, gamer, etc).

jesusrunz · Jul 16, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

/signed

Brad_Dick approves of this proposal.

Series · Jul 17, 2007, 12:01 AM // 00:01

"The title could go in 5 tiers with a maximum tier set as 250,000 HM monsters slain (roughly 8.5x the amount of monsters in vanquishable areas on all the continents combined)."

That's a wonderful idea! What we need is a title that requires you to vanquish all 3 continents 8 times!

So basically, you want a title for killing monsters in hard mode.

http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Vanquisher

Yeah, they have a title for that now. It was released... with hard mode.

/notsigned

Winter Lady · Jul 17, 2007, 12:08 AM // 00:08

/unsigned

I agree with MagmaRed, there are a lot of HM spot to farm (and bot 24/7! e.g. Hot Spring) - If a character's earned XP is such an important issue that is needed to be exposed to the general public, then let it be shown as it is without the need to go through the whole title earning process.

MithranArkanere · Jul 17, 2007, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Another farming title... hm.. hm...

I would change it so the points earned where like this:

- Solo: 1point per kill.
- 2 : 3 points
- 3 : 4p
- 4 : 5p
- 5 : 6p
- 6 : 7p
- 7 : 8p
- 8 : 10p
- 9 : 11p
- 10 : 12p
- 11 : 13p
- 12 players: 15 points per kill.

That way we encourage larger parties.

Reflect · Mar 23, 2008, 03:23 PM // 15:23

so u can just make the title in no time, doing snowman`s lair?

Lykan · Mar 23, 2008, 03:50 PM // 15:50

wooo another farming title!!!!

/notsigned

BlackSephir · Mar 23, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reflect

so u can just make the title in no time, doing snowman`s lair?

Why did you rez this crap?

Drakken Breathes Fire · Mar 23, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

We already have these, they're called; Sunspear//Lightbringer//Norn//Asura//Ebon Vanguard//Kurzick and Luxon title tracks.

Close please.

snaek · Mar 23, 2008, 04:25 PM // 16:25

its a "farming" title because u can choose 1 spot to farm and do that same spot over again
which is wut ppl will do, cuz they want teh fastest most effective run
(like teh ss/lb, rep titles, etc...u can choose to do it thru normal gameplay...but eventually u'll find teh best most effective spot for it and farm that spot, i.e. remains of salahaja)

unlike vanquishing, which forces u to go to different areas
so its not farmable
so vanquisher is a good title

Shayne Hawke · Mar 23, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

I've just finished vanquishing Cantha.

I'm not going to do that and vanquish Elona and Tyria and the North 8.5 times.

As much as I like the idea, especially since it's HM exclusive, this would most certainly reward farmers unless you scale it like MithranArkanere suggests, and even then, it's a lot to kill. Farmers would have a much easier time of getting this than the casual player, for sure.

/notsigned

Proff · Mar 23, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seppi

Off the top of my head, the advantages to the title are the following:
1-Can be obtained more easily in a full group than solo farming.
2-It can be obtained at roughly the same rate when you play through Hard mode content as when you try to farm it.

lmao... farming vaettirs = 60 kills every 10 mins if not less. Try doing that vanquishing.

/edit... just saw the date of the OP, sorry I even posted :/

crazybanshee · Mar 23, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

/notsigned

This was a terrible idea when it was started (and I'm a title chaser too)

Please close this thread before it returns from the dead again.

~ Dan ~ · Mar 23, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

This idea was crap when this thread was made. It's still crap now.

/notsigned

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 23, 2008, 09:41 PM // 21:41

/notsigned

Gogo raptor farm!